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 Post subject: Judas
PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2016 3:50 am 
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Is a tremendously underrated Verve song.


Songs like this, All Night Long and Columbo are just Verve in autopilot and it's brilliant.

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 Post subject: Re: Judas
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As with most tracks on the album, McCabe isn't loud enough.
For me always a album of what could of been.


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 Post subject: Re: Judas
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Trippy wrote:
are just Verve in autopilot

This is usually a criticism when talking about music. Goes to show how brilliant Verve were when even their autopilot songs are fantastic.


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 Post subject: Re: Judas
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Yep great buildup and vocals. One of my favorites.

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 Post subject: Re: Judas
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[quote="Change my life"]As with most tracks on the album, McCabe isn't loud enough.
For me always a album of what could of been.


he is there ... he's all over it ( I think its the drums that sound **** on this), however, through a decent unit and headphones this tune sounds beautiful
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 Post subject: Re: Judas
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I like Nick's work on this and it's a good tune, but my general problem with the mix for Forth is that it's too soft, lacking bass, or punch... but not in the inimitable, beautiful way that something like ASIH is. It makes it so everything just kind of blends together like an aural smoothie. Pleasant, but I vastly prefer the clarity and psychedelic touches of the first three records.


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 Post subject: Re: Judas
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misterie wrote:
I like Nick's work on this and it's a good tune, but my general problem with the mix for Forth is that it's too soft, lacking bass, or punch... but not in the inimitable, beautiful way that something like ASIH is.


ASIH is badly mixed - Forth REALLY fucking isn't.


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graceadelica wrote:
misterie wrote:
I like Nick's work on this and it's a good tune, but my general problem with the mix for Forth is that it's too soft, lacking bass, or punch... but not in the inimitable, beautiful way that something like ASIH is.


ASIH is badly mixed - Forth REALLY fucking isn't.

ASIH is unconventionally mixed. I'm sure a lot of people would say "badly," sure. But its muddled quality sounds much better and more interesting to me than the production on Forth, which is just kind of blandly conventional.

Then again I've heard ASIH 500,000 times and Forth not even 5 so what do I know.


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 Post subject: Re: Judas
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graceadelica wrote:

ASIH is badly mixed



not to my ears it isnt, the mix suits the music, cavernous and dynamic. the drums sound ace aswell.

please yourself.

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 Post subject: Re: Judas
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Judas is magic to me. The music under the "let it goooooo" bit is some of the best in Verve history, IMO.

I liked it so much that I got over the whole "latte" lyric, and that's saying a lot. Fucking Richard.

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 Post subject: Re: Judas
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The production is a little too polished, but the band dynamics are **** fucking on.


The double shot latte clunker is forgivable, like "1 and 1 is 2" or "hello high are you yes"


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 Post subject: Re: Judas
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[quote="choonin_in"]The production is a little too polished, but the band dynamics are **** fucking on.

For sure, especially considering it came from an improvisation. I remember reading something where Nick or Si said that complete shift during the chorus was totally spontaneous. Love that psychic connection between musicians who spend so much time together.
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 Post subject: Re: Judas
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I think the 'latte' line is really evocative—probably Ashcroft's best lyric on 'Forth'.


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 Post subject: Re: Judas
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andropov wrote:
I think the 'latte' line is really evocative—probably Ashcroft's best lyric on 'Forth'.


Time to call it a night, mate, you're drunk.


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 Post subject: Re: Judas
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mayfield2 wrote:
andropov wrote:
I think the 'latte' line is really evocative—probably Ashcroft's best lyric on 'Forth'.


Time to call it a night, mate, you're drunk.

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