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 Post subject: Re: Richard's competition as a Songwriter
PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 12:04 pm 
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Damien Rice is another one. Definitely more credibility when you stand him against solo RA.


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 Post subject: Re: Richard's competition as a Songwriter
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choonin_in wrote:
Damien Rice is another one. Definitely more credibility when you stand him against solo RA.

Was going to add him but he's Oirish

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And then he brings back the band for another new song that sounds more Andrew Lloyd Webber than titan of Britpop. It makes Ashcroft's farewell promise to return to our shores "soon" feel more like a threat than something to look forward to


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 Post subject: Re: Richard's competition as a Songwriter
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Can't really get my head around him having "competition." He's released maybe 15 good songs as a solo artist (over five albums!) and the majority of the rest have been bad.

The only reason anyone listens to him is because he was in a great band and wrote some songs for them 20 years ago, but even those aren't as good as Weller, Noel Gallagher, Damon Albarn, Thom Yorke, or J Spaceman's songs. He's not even as good a songwriter as Graham Coxon (who's actually really good, I realize that reads as a dis. Just saying that Dicky would be the third best songwriter member of Blur, and the least creative member over all).

It's mind boggling that anyone aside from his children would consider him to be among the best songwriters around. Even at his best he was never among the best. Two great songs on A Norther Soul does not make a great songwriter.


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 Post subject: Re: Richard's competition as a Songwriter
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Can't stand Damien Rice, way too pained and melodramatic. I have given him many chances and more than once walked out of a festival tent where he was playing.

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The only reason anyone listens to him is because he was in a great band and wrote some songs for them 20 years ago, but even those aren't as good as Weller, Noel Gallagher, Damon Albarn, Thom Yorke, or J Spaceman's songs.


RPA has written at least as many good songs in the last 20 years as Yorke or Spaceman, who are also best known for their pre-2000 work.

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Even at his best he was never among the best.


Blasphemy!


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 Post subject: Re: Richard's competition as a Songwriter
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Are we specifically talking singer-songwriters? If so, in addition to those already mentioned, these are all active English songwriters leagues beyond Richard:

Thom Yorke
Phil Selway
Neil Halstead
Adam Franklin
Damon Albarn
Jimi Goodwin
PJ Harvey
Nick Cave (yes, he's Australian, but he's lived in England forever)

If we're speaking of songwriters in general, I'd add artists like Jonny Greenwood, Four Tet, Aphex Twin, Boards of Canada (Scots), etc. etc. etc. etc.

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RPA has written at least as many good songs in the last 20 years as Yorke or Spaceman, who are also best known for their pre-2000 work.

You're either grossly-misinformed or straight-up trolling.

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 Post subject: Re: Richard's competition as a Songwriter
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Permanent Starlight wrote:
Are we specifically talking singer-songwriters? If so, in addition to those already mentioned, these are all active English songwriters leagues beyond Richard:

Thom Yorke
Phil Selway
Neil Halstead
Adam Franklin
Damon Albarn
Jimi Goodwin
PJ Harvey
Nick Cave (yes, he's Australian, but he's lived in England forever)

If we're speaking of songwriters in general, I'd add artists like Jonny Greenwood, Four Tet, Aphex Twin, Boards of Canada (Scots), etc. etc. etc. etc.

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RPA has written at least as many good songs in the last 20 years as Yorke or Spaceman, who are also best known for their pre-2000 work.

You're either grossly-misinformed or straight-up trolling.


Love the fact that you point out that BOC are Scottish, as I'm guessing people assume they are Canadian.

Not sure that they qualify even as songwriters, let alone being great UK songwriters. What tracks are you think of that would be songs?


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 Post subject: Re: Richard's competition as a Songwriter
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Songs in the ******** authentic sense that Ashcroft reduces songs to? Most of them. Even the purely electronic stuff on Tomorrow's Harvest would be better on piano and electric guitar than anything Ashcroft is credited as being the sole songwriter on. BoC are gods. RDJ is a genius composer. Had he been born 300 years earlier he'd have been Mozart's competition. Every piece of music is a song.

Forgot about Neil Halstead, that's criminal.

As for Ashcroft having as many good songs as Yorke or Spaceman over the last 20 years, it might be time to remind everyone that that time includes Ladies and Gents, OK Computer, Kid A, and Amnesiac, making that the most insane thing ever written on this forum. The Eraser has more great songs than Ashcroft has released as a solo artist, and there are only nine tracks on that one.

The Verve are among the best ever, Ashcroft is a great singer but he's a **** musician and writer.


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 Post subject: Re: Richard's competition as a Songwriter
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Tresilaze wrote:
it might be time to remind everyone that that time includes Ladies and Gents, OK Computer, Kid A, and Amnesiac, making that the most insane thing ever written on this forum.


Thought it would be clear, I meant anything released after 1997/Urban Hymns, so not including Ladies & Gents or OK Computer. Would not make that claim!

Nor would I claim that the Eraser is much more but a dystopian oddity fit to soundtrack a mediocre graphic novel. It was better than Atoms for Peace, but not much that's stick to the ribs memorable.


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 Post subject: Re: Richard's competition as a Songwriter
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mayfield2 wrote:
Permanent Starlight wrote:
Are we specifically talking singer-songwriters? If so, in addition to those already mentioned, these are all active English songwriters leagues beyond Richard:

Thom Yorke
Phil Selway
Neil Halstead
Adam Franklin
Damon Albarn
Jimi Goodwin
PJ Harvey
Nick Cave (yes, he's Australian, but he's lived in England forever)

If we're speaking of songwriters in general, I'd add artists like Jonny Greenwood, Four Tet, Aphex Twin, Boards of Canada (Scots), etc. etc. etc. etc.

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RPA has written at least as many good songs in the last 20 years as Yorke or Spaceman, who are also best known for their pre-2000 work.

You're either grossly-misinformed or straight-up trolling.


Love the fact that you point out that BOC are Scottish, as I'm guessing people assume they are Canadian.

Not sure that they qualify even as songwriters, let alone being great UK songwriters. What tracks are you think of that would be songs?


They actually lived there for their formative years, like ages 10-13 and then moved back to Scotland. But the seeds of were planted by them watching old Canadian Public broadcasting, hence the name. I think Martin Carr ex of the Boo Radleys should be mentioned among the UK best song writers;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3F1x-SnmgM


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 Post subject: Re: Richard's competition as a Songwriter
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[quote="Tresilaze"]Songs in the ******** authentic sense that Ashcroft reduces songs to? Most of them. Even the purely electronic stuff on Tomorrow's Harvest would be better on piano and electric guitar than anything Ashcroft is credited as being the sole songwriter on. BoC are gods. RDJ is a genius composer. Had he been born 300 years earlier he'd have been Mozart's competition. Every piece of music is a song.

Forgot about Neil Halstead, that's criminal.

As for Ashcroft having as many good songs as Yorke or Spaceman over the last 20 years, it might be time to remind everyone that that time includes Ladies and Gents, OK Computer, Kid A, and Amnesiac, making that the most insane thing ever written on this forum. The Eraser has more great songs than Ashcroft has released as a solo artist, and there are only nine tracks on that one.

The Verve are among the best ever, Ashcroft is a great singer but he's a **** musician and writer.

Hahaha, there's apparently a good reason I've been listening to and enjoying your stuff on Bandcamp all morning...

[quote="jadams503"]Thought it would be clear, I meant anything released after 1997/Urban Hymns, so not including Ladies & Gents or OK Computer. Would not make that claim!

Nor would I claim that the Eraser is much more but a dystopian oddity fit to soundtrack a mediocre graphic novel. It was better than Atoms for Peace, but not much that's stick to the ribs memorable.
Not to belabor the point, but A Moon Shaped Pool alone, released less than a year ago, consists entirely of songs that are better than anything Ashcroft ever wrote on his own (no pun intended). This is all not even mentioning In Rainbows which is arguably the best Radiohead album of all time.
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 Post subject: Re: Richard's competition as a Songwriter
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Fucking Gary Barlow has had a better output than RPA in recent years.


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 Post subject: Re: Richard's competition as a Songwriter
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Daniel wrote:
Fucking Gary Barlow has had a better output than RPA in recent years.

I think Ashcroft could probably flog a few songs to GB and the like. Surprised he hasn't, actually.


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 Post subject: Re: Richard's competition as a Songwriter
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Permanent Starlight wrote:
Not to belabor the point, but A Moon Shaped Pool alone, released less than a year ago, consists entirely of songs that are better than anything Ashcroft ever wrote on his own (no pun intended). This is all not even mentioning In Rainbows which is arguably the best Radiohead album of all time.

agreed 100% with all of this ... though A Moon Shaped Pool might even just edge In Rainbows

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 Post subject: Re: Richard's competition as a Songwriter
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Radiohead sucks. 8-)

Still like Kid A though.


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 Post subject: Re: Richard's competition as a Songwriter
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I haven't seen Tom Chaplin mentioned here. Frontman of Keane.

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Beef Waggly wrote:
I haven't seen Tom Chaplin mentioned here. Frontman of Keane.


Tim Rice-Oxley was the main man in Keane, writing wise.


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 Post subject: Re: Richard's competition as a Songwriter
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Didn't RPA have a pop at Keane when verve headlined Glastonbury?


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