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 Post subject: Re: Pointless Urban Hymns Deluxe Box Speculation Thread
PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 10:20 pm 
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That's three more for a Forth expanded edition!!!!!


I couldn't really care either way. I doubt we'd get to hear any of that unreleased stuff, the precedent's been set.

Forth + B-Sides + Glastonbury Performance.

Meh. Already got 'em.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 10:28 pm 
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Speaking for the minority who appreciate Richard's singer-songwriter side, the more solo-y tracks were also richer and more inspired than most of his solo material. Rather Be is one of his greats and it's a shame he doesn't play it today, even if it seems to come to the opposite conclusion as They Don't Own Me. Valium Skies is much maligned but his vocal layering as an instrument is gorgeous and Nick contributes some incredible textures too. I See Houses is not as strong but has a lot of good bits, parts of it almost seem like a sequel to Check The Meaning, and the band contribute some nice touches. And Appalachian Springs' virtues have been covered before.

Plus, Thaw Session, Judas, Numbness, Columbo, Noise Epic, Ma Ma Soul, Muhammad Ali, All Night Long, Blue Pacific Ocean all have some outstanding moments. Love Is Noise is not quite a classic but very catchy and well-done, as good a comeback single as any reunion act of their generation has managed, and they all sounded great.

It didn't all entirely come together, probably because of the strained relationships, but the production puts Nick and co much more at the forefront than Urban Hymns and I'm glad it happened. But after 9 years of acrimony and not rehearsing it's amazing how good they still sounded and how much potential was/is still there. Not to mention how good things like the Space & Time and Life's An Ocean outros were live.


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 Post subject: Re: Pointless Urban Hymns Deluxe Box Speculation Thread
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In fairness to blue vinyl, apart from being one funny contrary ************, he was talking about Forth the album as is.

If the tracklisting was something like this, I'd be more inclined to disagree with his comments (but it's not, so I won't):

Sit and Wonder
Mama Soul
Rather Be
Judas
All Night Long
Chic Dub
Muhammed Ali
Noise Epic
Columbo
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[quote="jadams503"]But after 9 years of acrimony and not rehearsing it's amazing how good they still sounded and how much potential was/is still there.

Yep, the only person who I thought was still trying to find his groove was RPA. There are some tracks from the Forth sessions where he is in perfect sync and harmony with the band (Judas, Ma Ma Soul) but other times it comes off as a bit awkward (Numbness, Sit and Wonder). There were moments like that live as well where he was trying to find his old self again.

I can't imagine what those RPA penned tracks, I See Houses, Rather Be, Appalachian Springs, etc. would have sounded like on a solo release. The band just makes his tunes that much better, but still the songwriting wasn't as good as on UH.

The worst Forth song to me is Love is Noise. I love the nod to History using William Blake again, but the U2-ness of that song does nothing for me. Some of the lines are embarrassing even if they have some mystical deeper meaning i.e. ********. ;)

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Not to mention how good things like the Space & Time and Life's An Ocean outros were live.

No kidding, **** was insanely good two of my favorite live tracks from the reunion. I'd take them live then than anything they did during the '90s.
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[quote="choonin_in"]In fairness to blue vinyl, apart from being one funny contrary ************, he was talking about Forth the album as is.

If the tracklisting was something like this, I'd be more inclined to disagree with his comments (but it's not, so I won't):

Sit and Wonder
Mama Soul
Rather Be
Judas
All Night Long
Chic Dub
Muhammed Ali
Noise Epic
Columbo
Blue Pacific Ocean


Seriously Chic Dud instead of Appalachian Springs?
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Seriously Chic Dud instead of Appalachian Springs?


Lol yeah that's nuts.

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I don't like AS.

Tbh, chic dub is only there to make it a 10 track album.


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[quote="jadams503"]Speaking for the minority who appreciate Richard's singer-songwriter side, the more solo-y tracks were also richer and more inspired than most of his solo material. Rather Be is one of his greats and it's a shame he doesn't play it today, even if it seems to come to the opposite conclusion as They Don't Own Me. Valium Skies is much maligned but his vocal layering as an instrument is gorgeous and Nick contributes some incredible textures too. I See Houses is not as strong but has a lot of good bits, parts of it almost seem like a sequel to Check The Meaning, and the band contribute some nice touches. And Appalachian Springs' virtues have been covered before.

Plus, Thaw Session, Judas, Numbness, Columbo, Noise Epic, Ma Ma Soul, Muhammad Ali, All Night Long, Blue Pacific Ocean all have some outstanding moments. Love Is Noise is not quite a classic but very catchy and well-done, as good a comeback single as any reunion act of their generation has managed, and they all sounded great.

It didn't all entirely come together, probably because of the strained relationships, but the production puts Nick and co much more at the forefront than Urban Hymns and I'm glad it happened. But after 9 years of acrimony and not rehearsing it's amazing how good they still sounded and how much potential was/is still there. Not to mention how good things like the Space & Time and Life's An Ocean outros were live.



Love is Noise is awful. It's a terribly contrived attempt at an anthem.

Pure ****.

If Hold On or Born Again were recorded by The Verve, they'd sound like Love Is Noise. In reverse, if Love Is Noise was on UNOS or These People, it'd be as laughably bad as the aforementioned songs.
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Love is Noise is awful. It's a terribly contrived attempt at an anthem.

Pure ****.

If Hold On or Born Again were recorded by The Verve, they'd sound like Love Is Noise. In reverse, if Love Is Noise was on UNOS or These People, it'd be as laughably bad as the aforementioned songs.


Completely agree. And those vocoder background noises are fucking awful.
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^ thread well and truly derailed.

Love is Noise sounded pretty good at that Glasto gig tho.

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Yeah I'll give you that.

On UH boxset discussion, this is probably the one boxset I don't really care about unless there was a disc of unreleased tracks like what Nick posted on FB. The B-Sides were OK (I prefer Forth's), maybe if the complete Haigh Hall was on DVD. I dunno. Forth is more interesting just all the stuff that didn't get on the album and if the B-Sides are any indication there might be some really good stuff.

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seriously, Haigh Hall was a fucking dull Verve gig. I left disappointed, I understand why it was a crowning moment ... but , not my cuppa tea Vervewise.

gimme a soundboard of the original '97 comeback tour any day, even Glasto 2008 pisses all over it.

I wouldn't mind hearing UH remastered like the previous 2 tho.

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....and I maybe with as one of the few peeps here that thinks Forth era Verve genuinely more interesting than UH era Verve.

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seriously, Haigh Hall was a fucking dull Verve gig. I left disappointed, I understand why it was a crowning moment ... but , not my cuppa tea Vervewise.

gimme a soundboard of the original '97 comeback tour any day, even Glasto 2008 pisses all over it.

I wouldn't mind hearing UH remastered like the previous 2 tho.


Yeah but you know Haigh Hall will wind up being included just for how important a moment it was in the band's history. I agree they've performed better live elsewhere, and I'd prefer that over HH but that's probably not gonna happen. I haven't listened to HH in a long time but when I did I shared the same opinion that it was rather dull.

I don't see the point of remastering UH, if anything I fear there might be greater separation between vocals and instruments.

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I remember recording HH off of radio 1 live, and thinking it was amazing. Then I bought a bootleg tape from Camden Market and was blown away by how much better live they actually could be.

Who knows, maybe the live disc that Ashcroft is possibly proposing will be a compilation of their best UH era performances (wishful thinking). He could be vetoing the outtake CD because he just doesn't think those songs are good enough to release. Would be good to hear what he has to say about the situation. Doubt that will happen though, his fan interaction is pretty poor eh?

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He could be vetoing the outtake CD because he just doesn't think those songs are good enough to release.

'Hold On' on the other hand.....


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Ashcroft is a revisionist, full of ****. Man, we all must know, surely, that the material that is (UH), McCabe orientated/heavily influenced, by way of anything that is not on UH, isn't gonna be sanctioned by Ashcroft because, in my opinion, it's superior quality? Ashcroft is a grade A *****, i want to HEAR the stuff that wasn't released and i guarantee, if it makes the light of day, it's McCabe blowing us all away. Make no mistake. By the way, that applies to Forth, some of the **** that Ashcroft decided was 'worthy', the guy is deluded. As many have said,
(again), there are several 'B' sides that **** all over the Ashcroft shite that took precedence. **** Ashcroft.


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[quote="JayJaySea"]Ashcroft is a revisionist, full of ****. Man, we all must know, surely, that the material that is (UH), McCabe orientated/heavily influenced, by way of anything that is not on UH, isn't gonna be sanctioned by Ashcroft because, in my opinion, it's superior quality? Ashcroft is a grade A *****, i want to HEAR the stuff that wasn't released and i guarantee, if it makes the light of day, it's McCabe blowing us all away. Make no mistake. By the way, that applies to Forth, some of the **** that Ashcroft decided was 'worthy', the guy is deluded. As many have said,
(again), there are several 'B' sides that **** all over the Ashcroft shite that took precedence. **** Ashcroft.


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 Post subject: Re: Pointless Urban Hymns Deluxe Box Speculation Thread
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count_bearula wrote:
He could be vetoing the outtake CD because he just doesn't think those songs are good enough to release. Would be good to hear what he has to say about the situation. Doubt that will happen though, his fan interaction is pretty poor eh?


Or he was suspicious of the proposed tracklisting, argued over a writing credit to test other parties and it ended with dummies being spat out. The dummy wasn't Ashcroft's.

McCabe has his little fanclub on here who think the sun shine's out of his arse and is on the level. Fucking bollocks.


Anyway - why is anyone on here arsed? Most on here just listened to the new tracks from the first 2 sets on Spotify and moaned about them.


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Or he was suspicious of the proposed tracklisting, argued over a writing credit to test other parties and it ended with dummies being spat out. The dummy wasn't Ashcroft's.

McCabe has his little fanclub on here who think the sun shine's out of his arse and is on the level. Fucking bollocks.


Anyway - why is anyone on here arsed? Most on here just listened to the new tracks from the first 2 sets on Spotify and moaned about them.


what is there to be suspicious about ? why spoil everyones fun ?

i dont think the sun shines out of McCabes arse at all, his post Verve output leaves me wanting but at least he's acted with some level of dignity, and we still get his thoughts on this old Verve business, i'd rather his legacy than the toss Ashcroft is peddling these days.

count me out of using spotify and moaning about the unreleased stuff too.

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Anyone defending ashcroft, just remember one thing:-

He (noone else) is willfully obstructing you from hearing unreleased verve music.


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graceadelica wrote:
count_bearula wrote:
He could be vetoing the outtake CD because he just doesn't think those songs are good enough to release. Would be good to hear what he has to say about the situation. Doubt that will happen though, his fan interaction is pretty poor eh?


Or he was suspicious of the proposed tracklisting, argued over a writing credit to test other parties and it ended with dummies being spat out. The dummy wasn't Ashcroft's.

McCabe has his little fanclub on here who think the sun shine's out of his arse and is on the level. Fucking bollocks.


Anyway - why is anyone on here arsed? Most on here just listened to the new tracks from the first 2 sets on Spotify and moaned about them.


1. What would he be suspicious about? That doesn't make any sense.
2. Dummies that weren't Ashcroft's were spat out. What does that mean?
3. Everyone really liked the bonus tracks on the box set. I remember people gushing over the ANS demos.
4. How isn't McCabe on the level? He gives credit when it's due, worked on the first two reissues that Ashcroft ignored, talks to fans...


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