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 Post subject: Richard's competition as a Songwriter
PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 10:54 pm 
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Richard is always the first to remind us he is one of the UK best songwriters.

Who are his actual competition when considering this, if you agree or disagree that he is one of the greats.

I'll throw some names in the hat:

Ed Sheerin - the biggest right now, in that he is fucking huge. Headlining Glastonbury which will seal it.
Simon Neil (Biffy Clyro) - headlining festivals, he write everything they play. Again, huge with a fanatical fanbase.
Adele - loved by many, as big as they get.
Noel Gallagher - been around forever, writes the same old stuff really but a national treasure


After that, i'm not really sure, who are the best UK songwriters?


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 Post subject: Re: Richard's competition as a Songwriter
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just reading that Q questions thing - he says he is one of the greatest songwriters this country has ever produced.

Coldplay too, i forgot them. Is he considered a songwriter. Suppose he is.


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Given the current competition you mention, I guess the argument that he's one of the best UK songwriters has some merit. The argument that he's one of the greatest songwriters the UK has ever produced is risible.


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 Post subject: Re: Richard's competition as a Songwriter
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patgarrett wrote:
The argument that he's one of the greatest songwriters the UK has ever produced is risible.


'Lennon, McCartney, Jagger, Richards....Ashcroft'

Sounds like a David Brent line from The Office.

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 Post subject: Re: Richard's competition as a Songwriter
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patgarrett wrote:
Given the current competition you mention, I guess the argument that he's one of the best UK songwriters has some merit.


Not a chance. Straight off the top of my head, Mick Head and Steve Mason are far better songwriters. There are loads more.

Gordon Anderson. Genius:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TiRR2mXaPs

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 Post subject: Re: Richard's competition as a Songwriter
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Guy Garvey
Scott Hutchison
Laura Marling
Ben Howard
Jamie T


Better songwriters than RA is or has been in at least 10 years. Probably longer.


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sean wrote:
patgarrett wrote:
Given the current competition you mention, I guess the argument that he's one of the best UK songwriters has some merit.


Not a chance. Straight off the top of my head, Mick Head and Steve Mason are far better songwriters. There are loads more.

Gordon Anderson. Genius:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TiRR2mXaPs


Did not expect to see Gordon Anderson mentioned! Nice one.

Was lucky enough to see The Aliens live. Anderson is a lost talent.

Does Pip Dylan mean anything to you, Sean?


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[quote="choonin_in"]Guy Garvey
Scott Hutchison
Laura Marling
Ben Howard
Jamie T


Better songwriters than RA is or has been in at least 10 years. Probably longer.


Guy Garvey, **** never even thought of him. A true national treasure! Love that guy.

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Have you listened to the new elbow album, Mayfield? They just churn out quality for fun.


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Just a couple of tracks so far. Magnificiant is pretty great. Loving that.

They are just genuine, it's no show with them.


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 Post subject: Re: Richard's competition as a Songwriter
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mayfield2 wrote:
sean wrote:
patgarrett wrote:
Given the current competition you mention, I guess the argument that he's one of the best UK songwriters has some merit.


Not a chance. Straight off the top of my head, Mick Head and Steve Mason are far better songwriters. There are loads more.

Gordon Anderson. Genius:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TiRR2mXaPs


Did not expect to see Gordon Anderson mentioned! Nice one.

Was lucky enough to see The Aliens live. Anderson is a lost talent.

Does Pip Dylan mean anything to you, Sean?


Never heard of him mate.

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 Post subject: Re: Richard's competition as a Songwriter
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choonin_in wrote:
Have you listened to the new elbow album, Mayfield? They just churn out quality for fun.


Can you ever imagine GG proclaiming himself one the best songwriters this country has ever produced?

Even though there's few around to touch him at the moment.

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sean wrote:

Does Pip Dylan mean anything to you, Sean?


Years ago, I saw this guy Pip Dylan is a local pub, really quirky and funny, never heard of him again for years,

Then, there was a book put out about the Fife music scene, and it turns out that Gordon Anderson is brother to Kenny Anderson or King Creosote, and there is a third brother, who turned out to be Pip Dylan or Ian Anderson.

A very talented set of siblings.

Just thought I would test you, you usually seem well in the know about things! 8-)


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 Post subject: Re: Richard's competition as a Songwriter
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sean wrote:
choonin_in wrote:
Have you listened to the new elbow album, Mayfield? They just churn out quality for fun.


Can you ever imagine GG proclaiming himself one the best songwriters this country has ever produced?

Even though there's few around to touch him at the moment.

He shouldn't feel the need to.

He's what British songwriters should aspire to. Not the likes of Liam Gallagher or post-millennial Ashcroft.


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 Post subject: Re: Richard's competition as a Songwriter
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Paul Weller for me is the best songwriter the UK has produced since the 70's

As for Ed Sheeran dont think he wrote one song himself on his latest album.


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I don't think Richards written anything on his own even remotely memorable & challenging since Check The Meaning.
Best songwriter in the U.K.? Are we still considering songs off a 20 year old album for this? Because, using songs from the past decade, he's not even in the conversation at this point.

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mrgrumble wrote:
Paul Weller for me is the best songwriter the UK has produced since the 70's


You might want to check out Bowie's work in the 70's. Weller, or anyone else for that matter, gets nowhere near.

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I don't think Richards written anything on his own even remotely memorable & challenging since Check The Meaning.
Best songwriter in the U.K.? Are we still considering songs off a 20 year old album for this? Because, using songs from the past decade, he's not even in the conversation at this point.

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 Post subject: Re: Richard's competition as a Songwriter
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[quote="sean"][quote="mrgrumble"]Paul Weller for me is the best songwriter the UK has produced since the 70's


You might want to check out Bowie's work in the 70's. Weller, or anyone else for that matter, gets nowhere near.
John Martyn?

Been digging that **** lately.

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[quote="choonin_in"][quote="sean"][quote="mrgrumble"]Paul Weller for me is the best songwriter the UK has produced since the 70's


You might want to check out Bowie's work in the 70's. Weller, or anyone else for that matter, gets nowhere near.
John Martyn?

Been digging that **** lately.



Nobody. Anywhere. The greatest continuous body of music that there ever was or ever will be.
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 Post subject: Re: Richard's competition as a Songwriter
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[quote="Beef Waggly"][quote="Joe Col"]I don't think Richards written anything on his own even remotely memorable & challenging since Check The Meaning.
Best songwriter in the U.K.? Are we still considering songs off a 20 year old album for this? Because, using songs from the past decade, he's not even in the conversation at this point.

nor listen

Oh, I have listened, **** flaps. Which is why, in my opinion, he hasn't written a memorable solo tune since 2002.
But keep convincing yourself of his relevance and Hold On ... Hold On, Hold On, Hold Oooooon.
And feel free to FIND A NEW BOARD, WAGGLY if differing opinions ruin your Ashcroft hard on.
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 Post subject: Re: Richard's competition as a Songwriter
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sean wrote:
mrgrumble wrote:
Paul Weller for me is the best songwriter the UK has produced since the 70's


You might want to check out Bowie's work in the 70's. Weller, or anyone else for that matter, gets nowhere near.


Ha! Yeah im pretty familiar with Bowie's work :)

I should rephrase to post 70's. Weller's 90 & 00's' stuff is in a different league to Bowies of the same time IMO


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 Post subject: Re: Richard's competition as a Songwriter
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Should really mention Alex Turner.

A decade of quality songwriting.

Miracle Allinger is a song any writer would chop his arm for, and he just threw it away in the Shadow Puppets.

I think that part of Richard's problem is that he has the idea that a great song is one that crosses over, it happens with BSS and DDW, and he was stuck with the image of success as being outwith his own fanbase. He is more concerned that builders or postman should like his music, than just building his own fanbase. He thinks he has unite everyone with a melody.

It makes you wonder what he thinks of people like Turner, or any other songwriter who continue to build a fanbase, and just plough that furrow.


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mayfield2 wrote:
I think that part of Richard's problem is that he has the idea that a great song is one that crosses over, it happens with BSS and DDW, and he was stuck with the image of success as being outwith his own fanbase. He is more concerned that builders or postman should like his music, than just building his own fanbase. He thinks he has unite everyone with a melody.

It makes you wonder what he thinks of people like Turner, or any other songwriter who continue to build a fanbase, and just plough that furrow.


Richard had that dream of Stone Roses-esque generational crossover success long before Urban Hymns or Definitely Maybe though, it's part of his charm and what makes him one of the last great "classic rock" acts in the sense of going for whole albums for the world--the CD millions of people leave in the car for months straight--rather than solely a niche act getting streamed by longtime fans.

We all have our idiosyncratic favorites but it's a very short list of people who get tens of thousands of people singing along to real songs rather than cheap fluff. Ashcroft is up there with Noel Gallagher for sure.


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mayfield wrote:
It makes you wonder what he thinks of people like Turner, or any other songwriter who continue to build a fanbase, and just plough that furrow.


I think RA has been quite complementary towards Turner in the past.


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